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I want everything to feel genuine.
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And I, because I feel like in real life, like the real me is constantly performing.
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I'm constantly being a version of myself that is not authentic.
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And I don't feel any joy being that.
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And I feel like I'm constantly following a script.
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So streaming is my form of relaxing and being my genuine, authentic self.
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We'll be right back.
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carved out her joy and secret, and emerged with something bigger than a stream.
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She built a world, a cozy bakery of digital belonging where anyone can be a loaf, even the moldy ones.
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Mal isn't just playing games.
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She's reclaiming space, choosing softness, and creating the kind of internet she never got growing up.
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So settle in.
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Here's our conversation with the one and only MalBread.
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Hey Mal, thanks for joining us tonight.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Also on the show tonight, Marthah Maple is here.
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Hi.
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And Ryanocerus.
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Hi.
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I think Marthah was ready to be called out like that.
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It was pretty good.
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That was the Kirby high wave.
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It was pretty solid.
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I even waved IRL just in case anybody needed a visual.
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It's a video podcast now.
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No,
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cool.
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Mal, for real, though, thanks for joining us.
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We're super excited to do this show with you tonight.
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Oh, well, thank you for having me.
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My first ever podcast, and I am so glad that I will be spending the next hour with cool people, interesting people like you.
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You guys have interesting personalities and hobbies, so...
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Along with my podcast, I hope I get to know you guys more, too, because I love meeting new people, interesting people, especially.
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So, yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Same here.
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I think it's interesting you think we're all, like, wildly different.
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Do you feel like, like, talking to us so far, do you feel like we're wildly different people?
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I know that Ryan is, like, more of a quiet type.
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I know once you get to know him, I know he's going to be a whole different person.
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Yeah,
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he's pretty funny.
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I'm a natural listener.
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So I have to like force myself to interject at times because I just want to listen to people talk.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, it makes sense.
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And like Marthah, you have, I feel like you're very eccentric, but like in a very fun and interesting way.
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And, you know, we were talking about books and you love collecting them and decorating your space with them.
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So I can already like picture you like in front of me and we're just fangirling over anything and everything.
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I love your energy already.
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And like Skardo, you seem to love your family a lot and you talk, you've mentioned your daughter very often and I can like clearly picture you as a very fun partner but also a very loving and caring dad.
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So yeah, this is all from the top of my head from the few minutes we've talked, so.
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Yeah.
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Well, you nailed it, bud.
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Except I think that the three of us are also really chaotic, wild, and fun human beings sometimes, potentially.
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Yeah.
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It's got to be the best show.
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Hey, let's talk about...
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So I want to start not with your tag, which is MalBread, but with you.
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So what brought you into the world of games or digital spaces?
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What got you interested in being on the internet, making content, playing games?
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And like, were they always part of your story or did they show up later in your life?
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Like, how did that whole story happen?
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I've noticed.
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Okay, so I have like very strict Asian parents.
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So they were constantly telling my siblings and I, okay, you got to study.
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You have to think about which university you're going to go to and then like get a good job.
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And like everything, almost everything was controlled in my life.
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So I kind of lost a huge chunk of my personality so that I can put everything all my eggs in one basket close all my other tabs and just like concentrate on just one tab and just perfect that but I felt so suffocated while I was in high school college and you know university And I really missed the fun and eccentric kid that I was growing up because I was always playing outside.
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When I was indoors, I would play a lot of video games.
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So, and the type of games.
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Growing up, we were also poor.
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So we didn't really have cable TV or really access to any video game consoles or anything.
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So when we would, my siblings and I, when we would go to school, We would see other kids talking about TV shows that we had no idea what they were.
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We did have access to a PC growing up because my dad studied in computer science.
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So we always had a computer in any shape or form at home.
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So we would play the games themed after the shows that the kids at school were talking about.
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So we would, my siblings and I, we would often be on Cartoon Network, like all the games that Cartoon Network would make related to all the shows like Kids Next Door, like I said, Samurai Jack and The Grimm Adventures and all that.
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And we would imagine that we are watching the shows and getting to know the characters as we would play the game.
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So that's where we really, like I really got into gaming because it felt like I was watching a story and I was contributing to the story.
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And during the pandemic, that's when I was like, you know what?
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Right.
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Right.
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that I'm doing to make my brain happy.
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I'm just thinking about what I need to do in two years, in five years.
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But right now, I'm never having fun in the present.
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So I'm like, you know what?
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I'm going to go back to gaming.
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Dude, I
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felt so seen by your story.
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Because I mean, when I was growing up, it was very similar.
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We didn't have any money.
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And it wasn't the first time that I got a computer.
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I had to build it.
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And I built it with parts from the hospital that my grandma worked at.
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And so I've like, you're talking about like going through and trying to relate to people in class or whatever, because you were playing games on, on Cartoon Network and like creating your own episodes and like getting to know the characters.
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Like, I think that's so cool.
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Cause it was like that for me.
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I mean, you know, I think for a lot of people, you know, you kind of start playing games and like, it becomes a way that you try to engage and like learn social skills or even just create, like you, you mentioned, like you were creating the stories about those characters for yourself.
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Like, I don't know, that's pretty beautiful that that's where you started.
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It was fun.
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I really missed that creative side of myself.
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Also, when this is like peak pandemic, and I was like, okay, I love creating.
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I love being exposed to content and media.
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And also managing, because something I noticed when I started streaming is you're not only making content, you have to take all your streams and you have to make little clips out of them.
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And all the story times that I would do, I would edit little videos and post them on other social medias to bring people from other places to my Twitch channel.
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And it's a lot of time and it's a lot of management.
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I also missed that part of myself.
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I grew up as the oldest sibling, the oldest kid in an immigrant household.
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So I was kind of the manager and the psychologist of my family members and my parents.
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So I had to think about multiple things at once.
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So I noticed that.
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So I put it to use when I got into content creation.
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So when you were growing up, you know, like going through this part of your life, how would you describe the digital kid you were growing up?
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Were you trying to engage and be socially engaging or were you just trying to play and trying to find an outlet for that?
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How would you describe that kind of kid you were back then?
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Oh,
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okay.
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I did talk a bit about my earlier, let's say under 10-year-old Mel.
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I did talk about it a little bit.
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If I want to talk about my teenage self, the period where I was the least...
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my authentic self, I would still express myself on the internet by going on Tumblr.
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I used to have like this huge Tumblr page and I would talk about, I would share posts about anime and fashion in Japan and people would interact with my posts and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm expressing myself.
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And I really enjoyed that period in my life because it was the only time during my day where I could interact with other people other than people at school and who only talk about, you know, homework.
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I went to a private school, so it was study, study, study, study, study.
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I really didn't have a social life while I was in school.
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Like, yes, I was one of the popular kids.
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Why?
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Because I had good grades.
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But other than that, it was so boring.
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So that's why I was glad to have the internet and access to it to express myself.
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The side that I couldn't when I was trying to be a serious teenager or, like, a young adult and have good grades.
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Do you feel like that, like, it was almost like a quiet rebellion?
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Like, you were taught to be very structured and disciplined and manage these things, but you had this other part of you that you were, that was pulling on you, right?
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Like, so...
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Oh, yeah.
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Hell, yeah.
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It was my way of, like, low-key rebelling because I don't think my parents knew I had a Tumblr.
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And...
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You know, it was for Asian parents.
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So they were like, OK, don't talk to boys.
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And, oh, don't watch this.
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Don't say that.
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But like I was the I was literally another person on the Internet and I was talking about fashion.
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At one point I would get sponsorships from.
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fashion sites and they would be like oh we're gonna we're gonna send you five to six items and we would love for you to review them so wear them take photos and review them so that your audience can you know come to our site and stuff like that and I would do that behind my parents back and my mom would be like why are you taking photos of yourself I'm like oh I'm just testing the camera we haven't used it so like I don't know it's kind of glitchy But like I would take photos, you know, I was secretly taking photos and then posting it online and like writing reviews and stuff like that.
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But anyways, a whole different life.
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Do you feel like that time, like, did you feel like you had the emotional maturity to manage like the feedback you were getting from the internet?
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Like, cause I think that's hard, right?
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When you're in your formative years and you're like expressing this part of yourself as maybe more vulnerable and more open and you're starting to get feedback from other humans that you don't know on some random place that are anonymous.
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Like, Do you feel like that affected you in like a positive way or like in a negative way?
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I
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don't think it affected me at all because if I got like...
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It was mostly positive because it was more of a wholesome community that I was in because we would talk about cute anime and cute anime girls and then we would talk about Japan and beautiful scenery and then like pretty fashion and stuff like that.
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So even if I did get negative comments or anything, I would be more like, oh, they're probably having...
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a hard day or like, oh, they must have a rough life.
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Like I'm, I'm like very stupidly empathetic.
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So if somebody is mean to me, the first thought would be like, oh, they're probably having a bad day or like maybe I offended them in some way instead of the first thing being, oh my gosh, I feel, I feel so sad.
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I feel so offended and blah, blah, blah.
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And so I guess it's my way of coping and also being the oldest sibling I had to put aside my emotions to be the mature person in the room.
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Well, I think that's beautiful.
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I think it's a, I don't know, growing for me, it's a behavior I had to learn that like I wasn't the problem in a lot of those type of situations.
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And then it's probably just my upbringing, which was similar but different than yours.
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And I, it's something as a parent, I've thought about a lot, right?
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So when my daughter started like posting on Instagram, her art and I was like, okay, when you post art and you're making things, the thing that I think about as a parent is like, well, where I grew up, the internet was much smaller.
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Communities weren't as vibrant or as protective as they are today.
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And the other part about that is, is like knowing her and being like, yep, cool.
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She's tough.
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She'll figure it out.
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But like, you know, it's a thought, right?
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Cause I think.
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Growing up around the Internet or on the Internet like I did, I was like, you know, you never really know what kind of feedback you're going to get.
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So I think it's cool that you find a community where you fit.
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Yeah, I was glad that I found a positive community to start my Internet journey with because I've heard some pretty rough things from my other Internet friends.
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And, you know, they were more exposed online.
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with uh more mature people gladly the the type of community that i was in it was mostly like teenage girls and just talking about pretty things and stuff like that so it was more positive because i really wanted to cope from my depressive real life uh situations and you know school so i would purposely think about the opposite and yeah be more positive and uh be surrounded by happy things and happy thoughts.
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That's beautiful, Mal, for real.
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I think it's really cool that you were able to find a place like that where you fit in so early.
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Yeah, I'm happy.
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Good memories.
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Yeah, it sounds like you kind of really found yourself a bit once you were able to get into the Tumblrs and get into that internet space.
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I'm wondering, how did streaming begin for you?
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How did you move from Tumblr into you know saying oh I want to stream I know you mentioned the pandemic kind of catalyst of that for you but like what was the what was was there a driving factor was it a bunch of little things
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okay when I was thinking of streaming it was a spontaneous idea I never watched anybody stream before and I didn't even know that was a thing I knew that people would post like gameplay content like you know Markiplier or like PewDiePie they would like film themselves play the game and they would post it on YouTube but like in my head I never had the concept of like live streaming and I'm like who would I would I was so confused like who would want to like sit down and watch somebody struggle over a game and then I would think about the difference between live streams and YouTube YouTube you can polish your content and you can if you have awkward pauses or if you're like miscommunicating you can just edit it out and have all the best moments out there and people watch the polished version of you and the content you're posting.
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But when it's live, you're like, you could make mistakes.
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You can be awkward.
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You can have awkward pauses.
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So like who would watch that?
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But no, it's really the human interaction part of it that really brought me in.
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And I'm like, I was really craving that social community connection thing that people always humans always crave or animals in general always crave so I was like okay let me look into streaming and then I started brainstorming so hard that it took me like around a month of me creating my labels and creating my little like logos and stuff like that and like in the span of one month I started streaming and I was like this looks fun let's do it and I'm the I have ADHD I'm super ADHD so I have like multiple hobbies that I love to do At the same time, or I love to start new hobbies.
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So I was like, okay, this is my new hobby.
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I'm going to start it.
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And I started it and I haven't looked back since.
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And I'm glad that I did because I've got to meet so many interesting people, so many nice people, weird people, for sure.
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I
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love that you launched with like, you're like, I have to have a logo and I have to have a brand ready.
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I can't just...
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I think that there's kind of two sides to that coin when people decide that they want to stream.
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It's like, I'm just going to do it.
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And then there's the people that are like you trying to build that brand.
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So you're launching with a platform almost.
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Were you always MalBread when you started streaming or did that come later?
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Yeah, that was always my gamer tag because...
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Okay, I can explain it now if you guys want why my name is Malbret.
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I mean, it's a super layered name and I'm sure it has a really deep meaning to you.
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Yes, it does.
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You kind of maybe notice that I have an accent when I speak.
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I am multilingual.
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But one of the two main languages that I speak when I go out is English and French because I live in the French part of Canada.
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And so I like to mix languages.
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different parts of my life into things that I create or things that represent me.
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So Mal is part of my real name.
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And everybody at school, my real name, which I don't share on the internet is, I don't know why it's very hard to pronounce for French speakers because there's an H in it.
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And French people don't usually say the H letter.
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It's silent most of the time.
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So I'm like, you know what?
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Just call me Mal.
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It's easy.
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You can't butcher a three-letter word.
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So everybody calls me Mal.
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And then I'm like, I feel like Mal is too short of a username.
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So what can I do?
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And then I started thinking, okay, Mal.
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In French, when you say, oh, I'm in pain, we say, oh, j'ai mal.
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J'ai mal.
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And Mal means pain.
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So pain, P-A-I-N, the same word in French is paine.
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which is bread.
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So it kind of made that weird connection.
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I'm like, okay, there we go.
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This makes sense.
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Let's slap those together.
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And voila, you got my username that I've been using for, yeah, for a long time now.
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So it's the same username that I use on my Steam, on my Instagram.
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And yeah, there it is.
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I also love the fact that there's the bread theme in my like bakery theme in all the things that I create.
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Because I don't know, when you think about a fresh loaf of bread, what do you, how, what do you feel?
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You feel cozy.